Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
John,If you look closely at the pictures of the orange fixture for the Piet mounts inthe top photo at this link:http://flycorvair.net/2012/11/08/pieten ... onents/You can see we actually made the fixture width adjustable plus or minus 1/2" forjust the reason that you have discovered. I am not sure if Bob, who you borrowedthe mount from is on this list, but he sent us an exact width to make itto, so it would fit his plane like a glove. On the other end of the scale, wemade one in the same fixture for Terry Hand's steel tube fuselage that was .750"narrower. We have spacers to put in the fixture to bias the mount point tofit either way builders measured their plane.If you chose to build it to Bob's with, let me know and I will make your mountaccordingly. On a plans built plane, we plan for builder variations like thisin the design of the parts and the tools to make them. -wwRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
RE: Pietenpol-List: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I am one of those builders described in the last paragraph, having attended5 Corvair Colleges! Maybe your local EAA chapter is like mine, full ofwell-meaning people who know a lot about flying but very little abouthome-made airplanes. These gatherings, though, are full of people ready todig right into the heart of their airplanes...Pietenpol, Zenith, KR,etc...and learn something meaningful about engines, risk management,W&B...you name it. During the course of the weekend you never know whatsubject is going come up (beyond how to make Corvairs run); but, mostimportantly, you will have a great time...if you like hanging out withdoers...no matter whether you ever intend to use a Corvair engine or not.You will be made welcome, too, because William's love is for experimentalaviation and his passion is for builders to be fully prepared to make gooddecisions. Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
I am one of those builders described in the last paragraph, having attended5 Corvair Colleges! Maybe your local EAA chapter is like mine, full ofwell-meaning people who know a lot about flying but very little abouthome-made airplanes. These gatherings, though, are full of people ready todig right into the heart of their airplanes...Pietenpol, Zenith, KR,etc...and learn something meaningful about engines, risk management,W&B...you name it. During the course of the weekend you never know whatsubject is going come up (beyond how to make Corvairs run); but, mostimportantly, you will have a great time...if you like hanging out withdoers...no matter whether you ever intend to use a Corvair engine or not.You will be made welcome, too, because William's love is for experimentalaviation and his passion is for builders to be fully prepared to make gooddecisions. Gary BootheNX308MB-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Dan,That may not have come out the way you intended, but the Corvair mount I builtfor Bob Dewenter (that John has on hand) isn't 'Wrong' if it fits Bob's planelike a glove. We made it for Bob after his fuselage was built, to the exact widthdimensions he sent. The point I was trying to make is that we can easily makethem from 23.5" to 24.375" in the same fixture.Between Pietenpols, KR-2s and Firpies (wooden Vision fuselage) I have made abouta half dozen 'De Havilland box' construction style fuselages in the last 20years. In all of these, I put the outer plywood on the sides while they were stillflat on the bench. This steers a builder toward a 24" wide fuselage.>From looking at builder's photos, most people appear to just build the side trusseswith the inner gussets, and then stand them up with no skin. I am thinkingthat most of those people end up with a 24.250" wide fuselage, however, a guycould use this technique and still build a 24" wide plane.My reading of the plans is the same as yours, that the overall fuselage width,with the plywood is intended to be 24". But if I made every mount that way someof them would not fit. John is only working with Bobs mount because he justordered one from us, and intends to pick it up at Brodhead. I can easily makeit a clone of Bob's or I could make it 24" to suit either width. -wwRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Dan,That may not have come out the way you intended, but the Corvair mount I builtfor Bob Dewenter (that John has on hand) isn't 'Wrong' if it fits Bob's planelike a glove. We made it for Bob after his fuselage was built, to the exact widthdimensions he sent. The point I was trying to make is that we can easily makethem from 23.5" to 24.375" in the same fixture.Between Pietenpols, KR-2s and Firpies (wooden Vision fuselage) I have made abouta half dozen 'De Havilland box' construction style fuselages in the last 20years. In all of these, I put the outer plywood on the sides while they were stillflat on the bench. This steers a builder toward a 24" wide fuselage.>From looking at builder's photos, most people appear to just build the side trusseswith the inner gussets, and then stand them up with no skin. I am thinkingthat most of those people end up with a 24.250" wide fuselage, however, a guycould use this technique and still build a 24" wide plane.My reading of the plans is the same as yours, that the overall fuselage width,with the plywood is intended to be 24". But if I made every mount that way someof them would not fit. John is only working with Bobs mount because he justordered one from us, and intends to pick it up at Brodhead. I can easily makeit a clone of Bob's or I could make it 24" to suit either width. -wwRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: "Barry Davis"
Shelley and I have been to three. We hosted 22 and 28 and were attendees at 24in Barnwell. We're looking forward to retirement when we can go just to go.They are social events in addition to being educational.I did not attend any colleges during the 1st build and it took me 5 years to runthe engine. By comparison, it took us a weekend to build and run the enginethe 2nd time at CC24. Shelley did most of the wrenching, BTW. There were factorsother than attending the college that explain the improved efficiency, ofcourse, but the college was a huge help.William has an exceptional background in small airplane design, construction andmaintenance. You will learn a lot, even if you're not using a Corvair.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Shelley and I have been to three. We hosted 22 and 28 and were attendees at 24in Barnwell. We're looking forward to retirement when we can go just to go.They are social events in addition to being educational.I did not attend any colleges during the 1st build and it took me 5 years to runthe engine. By comparison, it took us a weekend to build and run the enginethe 2nd time at CC24. Shelley did most of the wrenching, BTW. There were factorsother than attending the college that explain the improved efficiency, ofcourse, but the college was a huge help.William has an exceptional background in small airplane design, construction andmaintenance. You will learn a lot, even if you're not using a Corvair.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: 4130 tubing laying around
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Don't have any extra tubing, but am interested in your project. I have beenmulling a similar project.BarryNX973BP
Don't have any extra tubing, but am interested in your project. I have beenmulling a similar project.BarryNX973BP
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: dog67(at)aol.com
"You lose only when you quit."I've found that to be true in all aspects of my life and it's what Icounsel to students and junior faculty.--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOAssociate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 3/17/14 11:03 AM, "William Wynne" wrote:>>Builders,>>Six months ago I was sent a very nice hat from EAA HQ, one of the new>ones with the traditional logo. It was something of an olive branch, as I>had worked as a staff writer for many years, but later became an outsider>during the 'corporate shift'. When I saw the hat's tag said "Made in>China." I sent it back with a note that I would not wear it, and they>should not send things like this to EAA members like Pietenpol builder>Roger White.>>There are some good photos of Brodhead and Oshkosh 201o at this link:>>http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.html>>About half way down you can see Roger's picture, and he is wearing a hat>with a Combat infantryman's Badge. Something he earned at great cost,>fighting Chinese in Korea. In my note to HQ I explained that Roger may be>subjected to China products at Walmart, because it is a corporation, but>the EAA is allegedly a membership association, not driven by profit, and>we can have US made hats for men like Roger.>>If you would like to know how to go from being on the EAA publications>masthead for four years to being persona non grata, easy: All you have to>do is write a stream of stories like this one, which points out how much>of the US light aviation industry is already owned by the Chinese:>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/23/commun ... osh/>>When the message is "These are our new friends," Writing stories about>the EAA's president getting caught by 60 minutes with a fake engineering>degree, makes one a pariah. I wrote the story below after the C-162>failed, pointing out that the EAA president Jack Pelton, Mr. fake degree,>was the guy who plotted exporting the project to China. The story was>widely circulated, and yes, I even heard from the EAA's person who runs>the 'China Pavilion' at Oshkosh, explaining how much better things would>be I just saw it their way. Sadly, they are not really worried about me>starting a revolt, as they know only 10-15% of the membership cares about>"Made in USA.">>http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/23/cessna ... ->>Michael, I assume that your gas price was a typo, because gas was $1.56>in 1999, it has not been $.56 since well before you were born. I am 51>years old, and I have a strong feeling about keeping aviation affordable>to working Americans like you. At it's very root, this was the driving>force behind BHP life's work. He started this in the depression, when it>was a lot harder, and I don't intend to drop the ball on my watch. We are>not a country of spectators.>>>From the story above:>>"So, who will make Americas light planes? You will, the>working American, just as you have always done. In 1946 Cessna went>from war production to making 30 C-120s and C-140s a day, without>any issue at>all. The greedy corporate scum like Pelton had 6 years to tool up and>they>couldnt hardly make 30 aircraft per year in China. The only important>difference is that the Cessna ownership in 1946 respected their workforce>of>Americans, and 60 years later Pelton had all his faith in the best $2/hr>Chinese>workers he could buy. Moving forward, it is clear that Cessna has now>abandoned>the affordable aircraft market. This makes no difference to any>homebuilder.>In 1946, Cessna was something of a partner to American labor in producing>that>generation of affordable American aircraft. Today, they have proven to>be a>worthless element. Each of us, developing our own craftsmanship, will>work in>our own one plane factory and produce our own aircraft. This is how>American>labor will build this generation of affordable aircraft. We dont need>cheap>labor in China, we dont need greedy CEOs and we dont need any>membership>organization that is headed by a person who fails to understand this.-ww.>>-------------------------------------------->>Michael, when I was 32, I had just spent 5 years and my $70K life savings>Embry-Riddle, had a 3.85 GPA, and he highest paying job in aviation I>could find was $10/hr. My personal wealth was limited to my Piet project,>1,500 pounds of books and tools, a rusty 1967 Corvair, what I knew, and a>handful of friends. From there I made progress, but I also made a series>of foolish decisions that slowed my rate of climb, and one on 7/14/01>that came pretty close to costing my life. It is a safe assumption you>are smarter than me, and trust me, no matter how bad things seem>economically, you can build your plane. You loose only when you quit.>Find other people who motivate you and focus of their positive>perspective.>>You can see in the photos below that we live on a little airport, but we>live pretty frugally. I have long known that I am happy when I am>dreaming of and working on a project. Material goods beyond tools don't>keep me happy. every decision I made to put my craft first, to invest in>myself instead of consumer goods, was a step toward building, flying and>happiness.>>If you read anything I write this year, make it the last 5 paragraphs of>the story below:>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/09/09/sunday ... rt/>>>Read this topic online here:>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. 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"You lose only when you quit."I've found that to be true in all aspects of my life and it's what Icounsel to students and junior faculty.--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOAssociate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 3/17/14 11:03 AM, "William Wynne" wrote:>>Builders,>>Six months ago I was sent a very nice hat from EAA HQ, one of the new>ones with the traditional logo. It was something of an olive branch, as I>had worked as a staff writer for many years, but later became an outsider>during the 'corporate shift'. When I saw the hat's tag said "Made in>China." I sent it back with a note that I would not wear it, and they>should not send things like this to EAA members like Pietenpol builder>Roger White.>>There are some good photos of Brodhead and Oshkosh 201o at this link:>>http://www.flycorvair.com/osh2010.html>>About half way down you can see Roger's picture, and he is wearing a hat>with a Combat infantryman's Badge. Something he earned at great cost,>fighting Chinese in Korea. In my note to HQ I explained that Roger may be>subjected to China products at Walmart, because it is a corporation, but>the EAA is allegedly a membership association, not driven by profit, and>we can have US made hats for men like Roger.>>If you would like to know how to go from being on the EAA publications>masthead for four years to being persona non grata, easy: All you have to>do is write a stream of stories like this one, which points out how much>of the US light aviation industry is already owned by the Chinese:>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/07/23/commun ... osh/>>When the message is "These are our new friends," Writing stories about>the EAA's president getting caught by 60 minutes with a fake engineering>degree, makes one a pariah. I wrote the story below after the C-162>failed, pointing out that the EAA president Jack Pelton, Mr. fake degree,>was the guy who plotted exporting the project to China. The story was>widely circulated, and yes, I even heard from the EAA's person who runs>the 'China Pavilion' at Oshkosh, explaining how much better things would>be I just saw it their way. Sadly, they are not really worried about me>starting a revolt, as they know only 10-15% of the membership cares about>"Made in USA.">>http://flycorvair.net/2013/10/23/cessna ... ->>Michael, I assume that your gas price was a typo, because gas was $1.56>in 1999, it has not been $.56 since well before you were born. I am 51>years old, and I have a strong feeling about keeping aviation affordable>to working Americans like you. At it's very root, this was the driving>force behind BHP life's work. He started this in the depression, when it>was a lot harder, and I don't intend to drop the ball on my watch. We are>not a country of spectators.>>>From the story above:>>"So, who will make Americas light planes? You will, the>working American, just as you have always done. In 1946 Cessna went>from war production to making 30 C-120s and C-140s a day, without>any issue at>all. The greedy corporate scum like Pelton had 6 years to tool up and>they>couldnt hardly make 30 aircraft per year in China. The only important>difference is that the Cessna ownership in 1946 respected their workforce>of>Americans, and 60 years later Pelton had all his faith in the best $2/hr>Chinese>workers he could buy. Moving forward, it is clear that Cessna has now>abandoned>the affordable aircraft market. This makes no difference to any>homebuilder.>In 1946, Cessna was something of a partner to American labor in producing>that>generation of affordable American aircraft. Today, they have proven to>be a>worthless element. Each of us, developing our own craftsmanship, will>work in>our own one plane factory and produce our own aircraft. This is how>American>labor will build this generation of affordable aircraft. We dont need>cheap>labor in China, we dont need greedy CEOs and we dont need any>membership>organization that is headed by a person who fails to understand this.-ww.>>-------------------------------------------->>Michael, when I was 32, I had just spent 5 years and my $70K life savings>Embry-Riddle, had a 3.85 GPA, and he highest paying job in aviation I>could find was $10/hr. My personal wealth was limited to my Piet project,>1,500 pounds of books and tools, a rusty 1967 Corvair, what I knew, and a>handful of friends. From there I made progress, but I also made a series>of foolish decisions that slowed my rate of climb, and one on 7/14/01>that came pretty close to costing my life. It is a safe assumption you>are smarter than me, and trust me, no matter how bad things seem>economically, you can build your plane. You loose only when you quit.>Find other people who motivate you and focus of their positive>perspective.>>You can see in the photos below that we live on a little airport, but we>live pretty frugally. I have long known that I am happy when I am>dreaming of and working on a project. Material goods beyond tools don't>keep me happy. every decision I made to put my craft first, to invest in>myself instead of consumer goods, was a step toward building, flying and>happiness.>>If you read anything I write this year, make it the last 5 paragraphs of>the story below:>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/09/09/sunday ... rt/>>>Read this topic online here:>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. 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Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Hello,I have a pair of Slick magnetos in the a65 engine, and the switch key for R-L-Bothor off.>From where does the cable/es from the mag to the switch key depart?... I wastraying to find a diagram but I do not find anyone, and I do not see nothing overthe mags.thanks in advance.regards--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Hello,I have a pair of Slick magnetos in the a65 engine, and the switch key for R-L-Bothor off.>From where does the cable/es from the mag to the switch key depart?... I wastraying to find a diagram but I do not find anyone, and I do not see nothing overthe mags.thanks in advance.regards--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Original Posted By: "giacummo"
Mario; are you asking about the attachment stud for the wire on the magneto, oron the switch?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Mario; are you asking about the attachment stud for the wire on the magneto, oron the switch?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
My question was bad... from the switch that is on the cockpit, I have to send cables to the magnetos,but I do not know where to wire them (at the mag side)..the mags are Slick 4333...PD: como conecto los magnetos a la llave?--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p101 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
My question was bad... from the switch that is on the cockpit, I have to send cables to the magnetos,but I do not know where to wire them (at the mag side)..the mags are Slick 4333...PD: como conecto los magnetos a la llave?--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p101 ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Original Posted By: "giacummo"
Mario; the orange wire "jumper" on the magneto must be removed... I think it isonly there to temporarily ground the ignition P-lead from the magneto. I'llget the detail from Tony Bingelis' book... then we will start a discussion aboutwhether the shield braid on the P-lead wire should be grounded at both endsor only at one end ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Mario; the orange wire "jumper" on the magneto must be removed... I think it isonly there to temporarily ground the ignition P-lead from the magneto. I'llget the detail from Tony Bingelis' book... then we will start a discussion aboutwhether the shield braid on the P-lead wire should be grounded at both endsor only at one end ;o)--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Magneto switch wiring
Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Will - I know your area of expertise is the Corvair, but I have been trying to get detailedinformation on building up an 85/O200 experimental engine with very littleluck. I have a couple or three 85 cases, two or 3 85 cranks and cams, as wellas a couple of boxes of various engine parts, but no cylinders. I have builta certified O200 in the past and 3 different Lycomings, so am familiar withengine building. But have struck out so far in obtaining a desired parts listfor building the engine. I know there are some guys on here that have experiencewith similar engines so would appreciate some input as to getting started.When the weather warms up a bit in the next week or so, first step is to doa detailed inventory of the parts I have in my "stash". But some input as toputting together a "desirable" parts list for the engine build would be appreciated.The first airplane, a Light Sport Bearhawk, will be for a customerthat is only comfortable with the Continental engine..the next will be for myselfand I'll be attending a Corvair College. M. Haught On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, William Wynne wrote:> > Douwe,> > A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient land basedstuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to be battleship heavyand barn door aerodynamic.> > My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the link below.It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320 fuselage I had in therafters. He graphed them together in my hangar. In Florida the trike is considereda motorcycle, and is exempt from any kind of inspection or insurance. Thetrike actually has a small steel tube structure in it attaching the unit bodydriveline end to the composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000miles in the last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.'He brings it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You cangoogle his name for more internet pictures.> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... ero-trike/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 464#420464> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Will - I know your area of expertise is the Corvair, but I have been trying to get detailedinformation on building up an 85/O200 experimental engine with very littleluck. I have a couple or three 85 cases, two or 3 85 cranks and cams, as wellas a couple of boxes of various engine parts, but no cylinders. I have builta certified O200 in the past and 3 different Lycomings, so am familiar withengine building. But have struck out so far in obtaining a desired parts listfor building the engine. I know there are some guys on here that have experiencewith similar engines so would appreciate some input as to getting started.When the weather warms up a bit in the next week or so, first step is to doa detailed inventory of the parts I have in my "stash". But some input as toputting together a "desirable" parts list for the engine build would be appreciated.The first airplane, a Light Sport Bearhawk, will be for a customerthat is only comfortable with the Continental engine..the next will be for myselfand I'll be attending a Corvair College. M. Haught On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, William Wynne wrote:> > Douwe,> > A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient land basedstuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to be battleship heavyand barn door aerodynamic.> > My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the link below.It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320 fuselage I had in therafters. He graphed them together in my hangar. In Florida the trike is considereda motorcycle, and is exempt from any kind of inspection or insurance. Thetrike actually has a small steel tube structure in it attaching the unit bodydriveline end to the composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000miles in the last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.'He brings it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You cangoogle his name for more internet pictures.> > http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... ero-trike/> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 464#420464> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: "Boatright, Jeffrey"
Hi John - I wish I was that quick. Woodwork on the flying surfaces is done. Fuselageis on the gear and I'm getting ready to do the engine installation. Hopeto be covering by this summer, flying in '15, Brodhead in '16. We'll miss'15 because it's a cardinal anniversary which won't include Brodhead (thoughBrodhead was our honeymoon). You, of course, were one of the "other factors" in getting the engine done in oneweekend, for which I am eternally grateful! I'll have Shelley give you a bighug when we see you at C37 in a few months. I'd do it but you'll like it betterfrom her.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi John - I wish I was that quick. Woodwork on the flying surfaces is done. Fuselageis on the gear and I'm getting ready to do the engine installation. Hopeto be covering by this summer, flying in '15, Brodhead in '16. We'll miss'15 because it's a cardinal anniversary which won't include Brodhead (thoughBrodhead was our honeymoon). You, of course, were one of the "other factors" in getting the engine done in oneweekend, for which I am eternally grateful! I'll have Shelley give you a bighug when we see you at C37 in a few months. I'd do it but you'll like it betterfrom her.--------Kevin "Axel" PurteeRebuilding NX899KPAustin/San Marcos, TXRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 4130 tubing laying around
Original Posted By: "H. Marvin Haught Jr. "
One of several sources online:http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continen ... dfSections 13-16, pages 53-83 are several parts lists.I think that this Instruction and Service Manual can be purchased fromAircraft Spruce, but you'd have to check their catalog. I am almostcertain the one we used for our C75/85 reassembly/overhaul was bought fromSpruce, but I'm older now and those brain cells are apparently vacationingsomewhere.HTH,Jeff--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOAssociate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 3/17/14 5:02 PM, "H. Marvin Haught" wrote:>>>Will ->>I know your area of expertise is the Corvair, but I have been trying to>get detailed information on building up an 85/O200 experimental engine>with very little luck. I have a couple or three 85 cases, two or 3 85>cranks and cams, as well as a couple of boxes of various engine parts,>but no cylinders. I have built a certified O200 in the past and 3>different Lycomings, so am familiar with engine building. But have struck>out so far in obtaining a desired parts list for building the engine. I>know there are some guys on here that have experience with similar>engines so would appreciate some input as to getting started. When the>weather warms up a bit in the next week or so, first step is to do a>detailed inventory of the parts I have in my "stash". But some input as>to putting together a "desirable" parts list for the engine build would>be appreciated. The first airplane, a Light Sport Bearhawk, will be for>a customer that is only comfortable with the Continental engine!> ..the next will be for myself and I'll be attending a Corvair College.>>M. Haught>>>On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, William Wynne wrote:>>>>>>> Douwe,>>>> A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient>>land based stuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to>>be battleship heavy and barn door aerodynamic.>>>> My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the>>link below. It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320>>fuselage I had in the rafters. He graphed them together in my hangar. In>>Florida the trike is considered a motorcycle, and is exempt from any>>kind of inspection or insurance. The trike actually has a small steel>>tube structure in it attaching the unit body driveline end to the>>composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000 miles in the>>last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.' He brings>>it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You can>>google his name for more internet pictures.>>>>>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... ero-trike/>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:43:06 -0500
One of several sources online:http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continen ... dfSections 13-16, pages 53-83 are several parts lists.I think that this Instruction and Service Manual can be purchased fromAircraft Spruce, but you'd have to check their catalog. I am almostcertain the one we used for our C75/85 reassembly/overhaul was bought fromSpruce, but I'm older now and those brain cells are apparently vacationingsomewhere.HTH,Jeff--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOAssociate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 3/17/14 5:02 PM, "H. Marvin Haught" wrote:>>>Will ->>I know your area of expertise is the Corvair, but I have been trying to>get detailed information on building up an 85/O200 experimental engine>with very little luck. I have a couple or three 85 cases, two or 3 85>cranks and cams, as well as a couple of boxes of various engine parts,>but no cylinders. I have built a certified O200 in the past and 3>different Lycomings, so am familiar with engine building. But have struck>out so far in obtaining a desired parts list for building the engine. I>know there are some guys on here that have experience with similar>engines so would appreciate some input as to getting started. When the>weather warms up a bit in the next week or so, first step is to do a>detailed inventory of the parts I have in my "stash". But some input as>to putting together a "desirable" parts list for the engine build would>be appreciated. The first airplane, a Light Sport Bearhawk, will be for>a customer that is only comfortable with the Continental engine!> ..the next will be for myself and I'll be attending a Corvair College.>>M. Haught>>>On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, William Wynne wrote:>>>>>>> Douwe,>>>> A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient>>land based stuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to>>be battleship heavy and barn door aerodynamic.>>>> My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the>>link below. It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320>>fuselage I had in the rafters. He graphed them together in my hangar. In>>Florida the trike is considered a motorcycle, and is exempt from any>>kind of inspection or insurance. The trike actually has a small steel>>tube structure in it attaching the unit body driveline end to the>>composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000 miles in the>>last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.' He brings>>it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You can>>google his name for more internet pictures.>>>>>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... ero-trike/>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use ofthe intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privilegedinformation. If the reader of this message is not the intendedrecipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distributionor copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictlyprohibited.If you have received this message in error, please contactthe sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of theoriginal message (including attachments).________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:43:06 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Ah, now I get it. Have you asked Harry Fenton? He may provide some insight:http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fento ... f--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOAssociate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 3/17/14 5:43 PM, "H. Marvin Haught Jr. " wrote:>>>I have the standard parts and service manuals for the C75/85 and for the>O200. I have all the confidence in the world in building up a straight>C75/85 or O200 using standard parts. What I am wanting to do is build>up an engine with the 85 Case and using O200 cylinders and whatever>combination of parts that will give me the greatest power as well as>reliability. I would love to talk to someone that has done this an pick>their brain as to a parts list. From what I understand, the>experimental version of this engine (I also understand that there is an>STC for using O200 cylinders on an 85 Case) puts out around 110 to 115>HP. I know Bob Barrows builds them for sale, but I doubt he would be>willing to provide me with his parts list and secrets so that I can>build my own engine.>>M. Haught>>>On 3/17/2014 4:31 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote:>>>>>> One of several sources online:>>>> >>http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continen ... Servic>>e_>> Manual.pdf>>>> Sections 13-16, pages 53-83 are several parts lists.>>>> I think that this Instruction and Service Manual can be purchased from>> Aircraft Spruce, but you'd have to check their catalog. I am almost>> certain the one we used for our C75/85 reassembly/overhaul was bought>>from>> Spruce, but I'm older now and those brain cells are apparently>>vacationing>> somewhere.>>>> HTH,>>>> Jeff>>>>>> -->>>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO>> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology>> Emory University School of Medicine>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/14 5:02 PM, "H. Marvin Haught" >>wrote:>>>>> >>>>>> Will ->>>>>> I know your area of expertise is the Corvair, but I have been trying to>>> get detailed information on building up an 85/O200 experimental engine>>> with very little luck. I have a couple or three 85 cases, two or 3 85>>> cranks and cams, as well as a couple of boxes of various engine parts,>>> but no cylinders. I have built a certified O200 in the past and 3>>> different Lycomings, so am familiar with engine building. But have>>>struck>>> out so far in obtaining a desired parts list for building the engine.>>>I>>> know there are some guys on here that have experience with similar>>> engines so would appreciate some input as to getting started. When the>>> weather warms up a bit in the next week or so, first step is to do a>>> detailed inventory of the parts I have in my "stash". But some input>>>as>>> to putting together a "desirable" parts list for the engine build would>>> be appreciated. The first airplane, a Light Sport Bearhawk, will be>>>for>>> a customer that is only comfortable with the Continental engine!>>> ..the next will be for myself and I'll be attending a Corvair College.>>>>>> M. Haught>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, William Wynne wrote:>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Douwe,>>>>>>>> A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient>>>> land based stuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to>>>> be battleship heavy and barn door aerodynamic.>>>>>>>> My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the>>>> link below. It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320>>>> fuselage I had in the rafters. He graphed them together in my hangar.>>>>In>>>> Florida the trike is considered a motorcycle, and is exempt from any>>>> kind of inspection or insurance. The trike actually has a small steel>>>> tube structure in it attaching the unit body driveline end to the>>>> composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000 miles in>>>>the>>>> last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.' He>>>>brings>>>> it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You can>>>> google his name for more internet pictures.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... d-ve>>>>rn>>>> s-aero-trike/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 464#420464>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________>>>> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of>> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged>> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution>> or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly>> prohibited.>>>> If you have received this message in error, please contact>> the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the>> original message (including attachments).>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Ah, now I get it. Have you asked Harry Fenton? He may provide some insight:http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fento ... f--Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVOAssociate Professor of OphthalmologyEmory University School of MedicineOn 3/17/14 5:43 PM, "H. Marvin Haught Jr. " wrote:>>>I have the standard parts and service manuals for the C75/85 and for the>O200. I have all the confidence in the world in building up a straight>C75/85 or O200 using standard parts. What I am wanting to do is build>up an engine with the 85 Case and using O200 cylinders and whatever>combination of parts that will give me the greatest power as well as>reliability. I would love to talk to someone that has done this an pick>their brain as to a parts list. From what I understand, the>experimental version of this engine (I also understand that there is an>STC for using O200 cylinders on an 85 Case) puts out around 110 to 115>HP. I know Bob Barrows builds them for sale, but I doubt he would be>willing to provide me with his parts list and secrets so that I can>build my own engine.>>M. Haught>>>On 3/17/2014 4:31 PM, Boatright, Jeffrey wrote:>>>>>> One of several sources online:>>>> >>http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/Continen ... Servic>>e_>> Manual.pdf>>>> Sections 13-16, pages 53-83 are several parts lists.>>>> I think that this Instruction and Service Manual can be purchased from>> Aircraft Spruce, but you'd have to check their catalog. I am almost>> certain the one we used for our C75/85 reassembly/overhaul was bought>>from>> Spruce, but I'm older now and those brain cells are apparently>>vacationing>> somewhere.>>>> HTH,>>>> Jeff>>>>>> -->>>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD, FARVO>> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology>> Emory University School of Medicine>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/14 5:02 PM, "H. Marvin Haught" >>wrote:>>>>> >>>>>> Will ->>>>>> I know your area of expertise is the Corvair, but I have been trying to>>> get detailed information on building up an 85/O200 experimental engine>>> with very little luck. I have a couple or three 85 cases, two or 3 85>>> cranks and cams, as well as a couple of boxes of various engine parts,>>> but no cylinders. I have built a certified O200 in the past and 3>>> different Lycomings, so am familiar with engine building. But have>>>struck>>> out so far in obtaining a desired parts list for building the engine.>>>I>>> know there are some guys on here that have experience with similar>>> engines so would appreciate some input as to getting started. When the>>> weather warms up a bit in the next week or so, first step is to do a>>> detailed inventory of the parts I have in my "stash". But some input>>>as>>> to putting together a "desirable" parts list for the engine build would>>> be appreciated. The first airplane, a Light Sport Bearhawk, will be>>>for>>> a customer that is only comfortable with the Continental engine!>>> ..the next will be for myself and I'll be attending a Corvair College.>>>>>> M. Haught>>>>>>>>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:40 AM, William Wynne wrote:>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Douwe,>>>>>>>> A number of sucssful builders I know are now interested in efficient>>>> land based stuff. After building a plane, everything we drive seems to>>>> be battleship heavy and barn door aerodynamic.>>>>>>>> My side kick Vern Stevenson built the three wheeler pictured in the>>>> link below. It is half 3 cylinder Geo metro and half a Lancair 320>>>> fuselage I had in the rafters. He graphed them together in my hangar.>>>>In>>>> Florida the trike is considered a motorcycle, and is exempt from any>>>> kind of inspection or insurance. The trike actually has a small steel>>>> tube structure in it attaching the unit body driveline end to the>>>> composite cockpit and tail cone. Vern has driven it 11,000 miles in>>>>the>>>> last year, averages 60mpg. Not bad for being made of 'trash.' He>>>>brings>>>> it to most Colleges, he lets people drive it if they like. You can>>>> google his name for more internet pictures.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>http://flycorvair.net/2013/06/02/fun-wi ... d-ve>>>>rn>>>> s-aero-trike/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read this topic online here:>>>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 464#420464>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________>>>> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of>> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged>> information. If the reader of this message is not the intended>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution>> or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly>> prohibited.>>>> If you have received this message in error, please contact>> the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the>> original message (including attachments).>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Original Posted By: dog67(at)aol.com
Oh man, Mike! That was the stuff for which I have been looking! I've spent hours on Google, but just never did hit the right search combinations. Thanks - this will be a BIG help! Now I can get started on the education curve! M. Haught On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> Marv, There is a wealth of knowledge here that should help you with your engine build. > Mike C. , Ohio> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm> Harry Fenton's Hints and Tips for Small Continental Engines> Swapping Parts between Continental Engine Models (Usually done to get more power)> A-65 Parts in a C-85 Case> C-85 conversions using O-200 parts> O-200 Crankshaft in a C-85> More on the O-200 Crankshaft> A65 conversions using O-200 parts> STC'ing C85 Pistons in an O-200> Cylinder Head Longevity Question> C85 Pistons in a C-90> See also the Continental A&C Series Parts Interchangeability Catalog.> Cylinder interchangeability> Swapping Rods> C85 pistons into an O-200> Another Article> O-200 to C90 Conversion> Adjusting Timing for More Power> Continental GPU Parts> Generator to Alternator Swap (O-200)> C-75 "Downconversion" to A-65> A65 Upgrade to 85 HP> Telling the A65 and C-85 Cases Apart> C-85 "Downconversion" to a C-75> C-85 parts in A65 case, plus details on case reinforcement> C-90 Camshaft replacement> Turning a box of A65 and A75 parts into 80 HP> More Horsepower from a C90> Modifed C-75 with O-200 Parts Vibrating a Low RPM> Converting from Fuel Injection to Carburetor> O-200 Cylinders on a C85> Telling Continental Engines Apart> C90 or C85?> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges
Oh man, Mike! That was the stuff for which I have been looking! I've spent hours on Google, but just never did hit the right search combinations. Thanks - this will be a BIG help! Now I can get started on the education curve! M. Haught On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:> Marv, There is a wealth of knowledge here that should help you with your engine build. > Mike C. , Ohio> http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm> Harry Fenton's Hints and Tips for Small Continental Engines> Swapping Parts between Continental Engine Models (Usually done to get more power)> A-65 Parts in a C-85 Case> C-85 conversions using O-200 parts> O-200 Crankshaft in a C-85> More on the O-200 Crankshaft> A65 conversions using O-200 parts> STC'ing C85 Pistons in an O-200> Cylinder Head Longevity Question> C85 Pistons in a C-90> See also the Continental A&C Series Parts Interchangeability Catalog.> Cylinder interchangeability> Swapping Rods> C85 pistons into an O-200> Another Article> O-200 to C90 Conversion> Adjusting Timing for More Power> Continental GPU Parts> Generator to Alternator Swap (O-200)> C-75 "Downconversion" to A-65> A65 Upgrade to 85 HP> Telling the A65 and C-85 Cases Apart> C-85 "Downconversion" to a C-75> C-85 parts in A65 case, plus details on case reinforcement> C-90 Camshaft replacement> Turning a box of A65 and A75 parts into 80 HP> More Horsepower from a C90> Modifed C-75 with O-200 Parts Vibrating a Low RPM> Converting from Fuel Injection to Carburetor> O-200 Cylinders on a C85> Telling Continental Engines Apart> C90 or C85?> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Welcome to Corvair Colleges