Pietenpol-List: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:26 pm

Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
On another note..I need a rectangular aluminum box fabricated using aircraft techniques. Itneeds to look "aircrafty" and have rivet lines. Doesn't need to hold liquidor anything, it's just for looks. Would be 4" thick 42" long by 24" wide.Anybody set up to do that, contact me offline.Thanks!Douwedouweblumberg(at)earthlink.net805 573 3564________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:51 pm

Original Posted By: "pflyboy"
I wonder how my pietie would fly if I didn't cover the fuse....the wood work isnice so im thinking that not covering the fuse I could expose the planes gibletsfor the world to see. it would also solve the tail heavy issue and save lotsof work and money the berlot dint have the fuse covered and it flew fine...sort of... anyone know anyone that has done this???hyde the pietie captain not the god guyRobert l scott wrote god is my copilot .. I wonder where he stuffed the dude becausethe P40 only had one seat..Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:01 pm

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
First off, I like the topic title. I have no Piet, and can't answer the question,but:http://cub.aero/?p=612It's very true a naked Piet is art. I'll let the Piet people take over from here.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:05 pm

Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
I can answer your question based on actually doing it. OK, I didn't but dad didwith my airplane. Maybe 28 years ago. I would not advise anyone to do it. Thatsaid, my plane has a C85 cont. The airport elevation is 385 feet and dad onlyweighs 145 lbs. It barely flew and couldn't reach pattern alt. Enough said aboutthat.DO NOT attempt it.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:28 pm

Original Posted By:> jnl96(at)yahoo.com
I am planning to use Oratex fabric. The fabrics come in a small variety of basic colors and require no painting=2C although the initial cost of this fabric is higher than others. The USA Reps. were kind enough to send me a small sample of each color. I was surprised to find that the 'Antique White' is almost translucent. I have determined to cover the wings and tail surfaces in Antique White (Navy Blue on the fuse.) hoping that the effect will be to reveal some of the underlying structure.Lorenzo> Subject: Pietenpol-List: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:31 am

Original Posted By: "womenfly2"
Jim,Lars GleitmanBetter Aircraft FabricOffice. (907) 344-6792Cell. (907) 229-67924621 Caravelle DriveAnchorage Ak 99502lars(at)betteraircraftfabric.com--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poor man's metal stamping

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:07 am

Original Posted By: larharris2 Harris
Learn to use an English Wheel.--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 6:51 am

Original Posted By: jnl96(at)yahoo.com
Terry Hand sent you the best contact info I have. If you haven't already=2C visit their website=2C betteraircraftfabric.com . You can download a pdf brochure of the Oratex products.LorenzoDate: Mon=2C 31 Mar 2014 19:21:41 -0700

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 7:18 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gee, Scott! Sounds like it flew just like a Bleriot (or a berlot).Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:28 am

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
I have also wondered about the fuselage covering. When I was first getting interested in a homebuilt the Breezy was a very interesting consideration. It apparently works. Also look at the site for the Backyard Flyer ultralight. I have been watching the Flyer at EAA for the last few years. I have been trying to convince myself it might be a good alternative while I slowly work on my Pietenpol. The people at Backyard Flyer told me the uncovered fuselage reduces the wind vane effect in crosswinds which can plague a very light aircraft. I am planning in leaving the cockpit uncovered to emphasize the wood construction. I saw one treated that way at Brodhead many years ago in my early planning stages.Ralph in SD ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:49:08 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 9:54 am

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Jake,Nobody,s biting today. I wonder why????--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:06 am

Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Jack,I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better than Ido. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that it isa good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:15 am

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
It's all in good fun...... this is a FUN airplane after all

--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:20 am

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Jake,It's a great flight to be on. This list is what I mean. Enjoy the day folks. Offto the airport now.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:22:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:23 am

Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Well, no intentional wing-warping anyway! It could be done if you weren't careful,but it's also a static adjustment

.On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:06 AM, AircamperN11MS wrote:> > Jack,> I never flew one of those. I'm not that old. Sounds like you know better thanI do. How old did you say you were??? Just messing with you. I do bet that itis a good comparison. At least the Piet doesn't have wing warping.> > --------> Scott Liefeld> Flying N11MS since March 1972> Steel Tube> C-85-12> Wire Wheels> Brodhead in 1996> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 450#421450> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:26 am

Original Posted By: "Jack Phillips"
Guys,There are a number of Piet pictures and builders on this 2009 web update from our site: http://www.flycorvair.com/hangar1009.html, but if you look about 1/2 way down It has a picture of Don Taylor's all sheet metal, two seat, tandem Fly baby. Wisely powered by a 'certified auto engine.'Don Taylor is a very early EAA guy who was best Known for 'Tinker-toy' a very innovativepusher homebuilt that used a corvair and a belt reduction where theaxis of the prop was concentric with the single top longeron of the fuselage.Flew for about 10 years in the 70's -ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:41 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I saw Chad Wilie fly the Bleriot at Brodhead a couple of years ago. Henever got it out of ground effect, but technically it "flew".Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:23 am

Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Sounds interesting but the link does not work...???!!?Just when you think you think of something new it turns out somebody has alreadydone it...!Jake--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: An all sheet-metal Pietenpol design...?

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:21 am

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
DouweCheck out EAA hints for homebuilders video on hrdoforming - very cool video. The link is being attached but is is so weird it may not work If the link is brokenjust Google tersm EAA hints for homebuilder hydroforming and get this link:https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www ... -------Bob 'Early Builder' DewenterDayton OHRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: giblets

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:21 pm

Original Posted By: "tools"
I don't know if a nest of bare tubing would create as much drag as fabric-coveredslab sides, but I do know that I use slips to landing a LOT in my airplane.Without flaps, slips are the best way to manage descent profile and I alwayslike to bring Scout in a little high and then slip it down to the numbers. Rarelyam I able to nail the airspeed and altitude on final to where I don't haveto adjust something (unlike Jeff Boatright, who scared me coming in as closeto the treetops as he did after his guns jammed and he had to run back home.It seemed like he was on rails all the way down to the turf).Maybe one of the builders planning to use Oratex can sew in a couple of zippersthat would allow the empennage covering to be unzipped to test flight characteristicswith bare bones out there?--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It's FINALLY a hangar...

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:52 pm

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Not only is it a hangar, it's being used as one!N2RN is up and flying. Our field is rather varsity, so I took off and flew 10miles to 9A5 for fuel. Son met me there and we went another 5 miles south toa really nice wide and long grass strip.He is soloed and only has around 10 hours, nearly 2 years ago. Threw him in theback and I jumped up front and off we went. I was REALLY proud of him, dida fantastic job. Flew to another nearby grass strip, hitting 9a5 for a hard surfacerunway touch and go on the way, dropped him off there and then I broughtit home. I'm pretty much gone the next two weeks, but after that should get him soloed againand making progress on his license.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/safe ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It's FINALLY a hangar...

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:25 pm

Original Posted By: "taildrags"
Congratulations on getting her flying again! I kow you are Scott are really happy.Good job!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It's FINALLY a hangar...

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:01 pm

Original Posted By: jim hyde
I second that! Nice job putting the airplane back together, and what could bebetter than a Pietenpol flying off of grass!--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Apr 02, 2014 11:21 pm

Original Posted By: jim hyde

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:48 am

Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Thanks!It came with about two and a quarter, I think I've put on between 75 and a hundred.It'll be three years in Sep I've owned it. Was down 4 months after thefirst debacle... down for about a year and 8 months this time. The second debacle occurred about a week after getting it back up the first time!Learning a LOT!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: It's FINALLY a hangar...

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Apr 03, 2014 7:37 am

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Good job Tools. Congratulations to you and Scott.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:13 am

Original Posted By: jim hyde
The side area of a fuselage is part of the design calculations on the yaw stabilityalong the vertical axis which includes the fin area. The area removed wouldhave to be calculated for the loss area of the fuselage sides an added to thefin to keep the stability as designed.Just my 2-cents worth .... WF2--------Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:58:39 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:36 pm

Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:39 pm

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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:46 am

Original Posted By: "tkreiner"
While perusing the Carlson site, I noticed their Jury Strut extrusions, which wouldappear to be suitable for cabanes on the Piet.Has anyone used this extrusion for their cabanes? How about the diagonal bracesto the firewall?Please chime in...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Cabane material

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:48 am

Original Posted By: danhelsper(at)aol.com
Forgot the link:http://carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Cabane material

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:25 pm

Original Posted By: tkreiner
Tom,I used Carlson "small" wing struts. My cabanes are streamline steel, my diagonals are round steel, jury struts are round steel.Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:55 pm

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Beautiful woodwork, especially the wing spars. You must have done that work inyour pre-curmudgeon days.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:19 am

Original Posted By: "tools"
Hey Tom,I do not believe I have ever seen aluminum cabanes on a Pietenpol. Thiscertainly doesn't mean it hasn't been done, it just means I've neverencountered it. We've all seen aluminum struts though, and they work.I would just go with steel since I can't really think of reasons to go withaluminum (maybe a pound or two, if that"??)If you want to forge new territories then I suppose you'd start comparingmaterial strengths etc and keep digging to see if you can find any that havegone before you.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: aluminum cabanes

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:30 am

Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
A reason I can think of to research it is that when you buy wing struts, you buythe entire 10 ft length. You can opt to have them send the 2ft left overs ornot (as the max length to send is 8ft, which is about the right length for thePiet). It seems they (the left overs) would make excellent cabanes (rightterm?). Mating aluminum front diagonals to them would make a lot of sense in that case.This is kind of how I leaning towards doing the Piet I'm building as I REALLY likethe aluminum wing struts.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:38 pm

Original Posted By: jim hyde
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:38 pm

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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:38 pm

Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
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