Original Posted By: Brian Rieger
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
Pietenpol-List: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Here is to the good, good people on this list who are sticking with it, thinking about it, maybe just this summerhave for the very first time heard about this little airplane called the Pietenpol.Welcome to the list---we're here to help if we can. The archives/search engine are a great resourceand if you haven't see the zillion photos that Chris Tracy has complied on his http://westcoastpiet.com/ site,go there for a bunch of ideas, inspiration, and photos. Good stuff.Just disregard and delete any posts that have negative or harsh comments---we are not about that. This is a good groupand this is a good, honest, wonderful little affordable airplane.Here's two photos that will give you all the reasons you need to keep building OR to start building. Don't let the turkeysget you down---you've got an airplane to build and eventually FLY.....and then to give rides and smiles that come with thoserides. Here's proof. Go for it. Keep the faith! Keep building!Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
Here is to the good, good people on this list who are sticking with it, thinking about it, maybe just this summerhave for the very first time heard about this little airplane called the Pietenpol.Welcome to the list---we're here to help if we can. The archives/search engine are a great resourceand if you haven't see the zillion photos that Chris Tracy has complied on his http://westcoastpiet.com/ site,go there for a bunch of ideas, inspiration, and photos. Good stuff.Just disregard and delete any posts that have negative or harsh comments---we are not about that. This is a good groupand this is a good, honest, wonderful little affordable airplane.Here's two photos that will give you all the reasons you need to keep building OR to start building. Don't let the turkeysget you down---you've got an airplane to build and eventually FLY.....and then to give rides and smiles that come with thoserides. Here's proof. Go for it. Keep the faith! Keep building!Mike C.Ohio________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Welcome Brian.... Would be great to see and discuss your project. I am buildinga Pietenpol in Issaquah. ( flight.jake(at)gmail.com )Jake--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:28:13 -0700
Welcome Brian.... Would be great to see and discuss your project. I am buildinga Pietenpol in Issaquah. ( flight.jake(at)gmail.com )Jake--------Jake Schultz - curator,Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:28:13 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Re: don't give up---keep building, little by little----you'll
Original Posted By: "aerocarjake"
Brian,Very nice work. It's amazing how fast a person can build up the fuse to the boatstage. Great builders log too. Have fun with it because the building willbe over before you know it. Then come the building withdrawals. Oh, maybe thatwas too soon to say. Keep up the good work.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: don't give up---keep building, little by little----you'llto
Brian,Very nice work. It's amazing how fast a person can build up the fuse to the boatstage. Great builders log too. Have fun with it because the building willbe over before you know it. Then come the building withdrawals. Oh, maybe thatwas too soon to say. Keep up the good work.Cheers,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: don't give up---keep building, little by little----you'llto
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Original Posted By: "tools"
First, notice it says to screw the stab to the fuse. Most people through bolt.If you do through bolt, use AN3 (or smaller), so as not to compromise the longerons,or extend the scarf plate there to overlap where the through bolts are.With all the tail bracing, that fastener doesn't need to do very much on it's own,screws as mentioned really are good enough. I don't have a shim at all there. It bothered me at first, but think about it.The rest of the stab is just cantilevered into the wind, so that bit there abovethe fuse isn't gonna hurt a thing. Insofar as 1/8 or 3/16... it really depends on how much gap you have there, itreally can vary quite a bit with plywood not really being solid imperial dimensions.Also, how much sanding you do, layers of fabric... if you use a shim,cut to fit.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
First, notice it says to screw the stab to the fuse. Most people through bolt.If you do through bolt, use AN3 (or smaller), so as not to compromise the longerons,or extend the scarf plate there to overlap where the through bolts are.With all the tail bracing, that fastener doesn't need to do very much on it's own,screws as mentioned really are good enough. I don't have a shim at all there. It bothered me at first, but think about it.The rest of the stab is just cantilevered into the wind, so that bit there abovethe fuse isn't gonna hurt a thing. Insofar as 1/8 or 3/16... it really depends on how much gap you have there, itreally can vary quite a bit with plywood not really being solid imperial dimensions.Also, how much sanding you do, layers of fabric... if you use a shim,cut to fit.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
RE: Pietenpol-List: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Yer off and running! WelcomeGary BootheNX308MB
Yer off and running! WelcomeGary BootheNX308MB
Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
Hello!! this is the place where you have to stay in touch for everything: constructiontechnique, missing/wrong things in plans, how to's, wood problems andbenefits, metal differences, DIY things, resolve by your own, I like but..., okI am going to follow the plans, This engine or this other one?, 1045 .. whatis this?.. 6061?. i like this number but where is it?. douglas? spruce?... weight?..I can save something if I use.. Epoxy? Gorila Glue?, Poliuretan adhesives?paint with what?.. Latex?, mhmhhm my wife want... I do not care, I am workingon my Piet. ;o))))) Very nice experience, go ahead!!!Regards--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Hello!! this is the place where you have to stay in touch for everything: constructiontechnique, missing/wrong things in plans, how to's, wood problems andbenefits, metal differences, DIY things, resolve by your own, I like but..., okI am going to follow the plans, This engine or this other one?, 1045 .. whatis this?.. 6061?. i like this number but where is it?. douglas? spruce?... weight?..I can save something if I use.. Epoxy? Gorila Glue?, Poliuretan adhesives?paint with what?.. Latex?, mhmhhm my wife want... I do not care, I am workingon my Piet. ;o))))) Very nice experience, go ahead!!!Regards--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Original Posted By: Bill
Mike,The aerodynamicists in the group will have to be the ones to tell you if it willhelp, but it sure looks way cool! Very nice!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:55:44 -0400
Mike,The aerodynamicists in the group will have to be the ones to tell you if it willhelp, but it sure looks way cool! Very nice!--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GAUSMC, USMCR, ATPBVD DVD PDQ BBQRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 21:55:44 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Original Posted By: "Riegerb"
Thanks, Ken. I have not drilled the holes for the vert stab brackets, yet. Think I will just wait till it is covered, it will be first. I sure don't want to lose any sleep!Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On Aug 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:> > Ray, I did what you've described. That is, I fully assembled the airplane in skeletal form, including making the brackets, drillling holes, and fastening things together with AN hardware. Only after I did that did it dawn on me that things might not align after covering and painting all the various pieces. Worrying late into the night, I worked out a "Plan B" involving lots of hardwood dowels glued into the holes. Other than lost sleep, everything turned out fine. The fabric, even with paint, is remarkably thin. I never had to implement "Plan B". All the pieces went back together just like they were supposed to. Cheers, Ken> > >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Ray Krause wrote:>> Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal stabilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their planes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The question is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For example, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilizer...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the holes will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? There will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. Or do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the holes and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs.>> >> Could not find a way to search for this in the forum!>> >> Thanks,>> >> Ray Krause>> Building SkyScout>> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad>> >>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote:>>> >>> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. Chuck>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:>>>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
Thanks, Ken. I have not drilled the holes for the vert stab brackets, yet. Think I will just wait till it is covered, it will be first. I sure don't want to lose any sleep!Thanks,RaySent from my iPad> On Aug 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Ken Bickers wrote:> > Ray, I did what you've described. That is, I fully assembled the airplane in skeletal form, including making the brackets, drillling holes, and fastening things together with AN hardware. Only after I did that did it dawn on me that things might not align after covering and painting all the various pieces. Worrying late into the night, I worked out a "Plan B" involving lots of hardwood dowels glued into the holes. Other than lost sleep, everything turned out fine. The fabric, even with paint, is remarkably thin. I never had to implement "Plan B". All the pieces went back together just like they were supposed to. Cheers, Ken> > >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Ray Krause wrote:>> Thanks, Charles. I just did this the other day to attach my Horizontal stabilizer. But I have an allied question. I see that many folks put their planes completely together during the rigging process, which I am doing. The question is : how do you allow for thickness change during covering? For example, the brackets holding the vertical stabilizer to the horizontal stabilizer...if you drill the brackets AND the holes in the vertical stabilizer, the holes will not match up after the vertical stabilizer is covered, right? There will be two thicknesses of fabric on the bottom of the stab, plus a tape. Or do you just allow enough space between the two stabs when drilling the holes and keep the stabs separated, or drill these holes after covering? There are other locations where this occurs.>> >> Could not find a way to search for this in the forum!>> >> Thanks,>> >> Ray Krause>> Building SkyScout>> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad>> >>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "Charles N. Campbell" wrote:>>> >>> Michael, That is exactly how I'm attaching the stabilizer to the fuselage, but I still don't know how much of a shim I need to put between the two. Chuck>>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-LME0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote:>>>> One way of securing the front of the horizontal stabilizer to the upper longerons. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>> tp://forums.matronics.com>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution>> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Original Posted By: "tools"
- I created a forum account (rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com) -Thank you all for the kind welcome - glad to find a great community for the Pietenpol.I have been working on the Piet itself for a little over a month (spent a chunkof time beforehand building the table, gathering tools, finding the right workshopspace in town, etc..).I have never flown in a Pietenpol - would like to change that soon! My plan isto visit Broadhead next year, a day or two before Oshkosh and then drive up toOshkosh for a couple days (probably attend the Corvair engine workshop); is ita good plan from your experience?I would say I'm leaning towards the Corvair powerplant based on the anecdotal experiences/ recommendations I have read online and the strong community supportfor it. However, I'm certainly not against the A65 although I do plan to carrytwo passengers and would like the ability to get out of short grass strips(at elevation possibly). I haven't come across any performance data comparingthese two engines on the Piet (or any other engine for that matter) and am verycurious how the performance changes.BrianRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
- I created a forum account (rieger.brian12(at)gmail.com) -Thank you all for the kind welcome - glad to find a great community for the Pietenpol.I have been working on the Piet itself for a little over a month (spent a chunkof time beforehand building the table, gathering tools, finding the right workshopspace in town, etc..).I have never flown in a Pietenpol - would like to change that soon! My plan isto visit Broadhead next year, a day or two before Oshkosh and then drive up toOshkosh for a couple days (probably attend the Corvair engine workshop); is ita good plan from your experience?I would say I'm leaning towards the Corvair powerplant based on the anecdotal experiences/ recommendations I have read online and the strong community supportfor it. However, I'm certainly not against the A65 although I do plan to carrytwo passengers and would like the ability to get out of short grass strips(at elevation possibly). I haven't come across any performance data comparingthese two engines on the Piet (or any other engine for that matter) and am verycurious how the performance changes.BrianRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
Original Posted By: jim hyde
Brian,Based on my A65 Piet, and a ride in Kevin Purtee's Corvair powered Piet, his seemedto have a lot more zip. I do like the A65, but the Corvair is rated at quite a bit more power.Going to Brodhead is a GREAT idea. While you seemed to have already made a lotof the decisions NECESSARY (fuse style, gear style, powerplant), you can verifythose decisions (sitting in the various fuses, riding behind various powerplants)and still garner a lot of info about the smaller decisions to make (likecovering systems, aux stuff like trim, various tailwheels, wing cutouts, etc).And it's relaxed and fun.Oshkosh is just cool. It's like the Smithsonians, can't do it all at once, justprioritize, be flexible and enjoy it. It's also a great venue for stockingsupplies. You can pick up vouchers for free shipping, etc.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:14:20 -0700
Brian,Based on my A65 Piet, and a ride in Kevin Purtee's Corvair powered Piet, his seemedto have a lot more zip. I do like the A65, but the Corvair is rated at quite a bit more power.Going to Brodhead is a GREAT idea. While you seemed to have already made a lotof the decisions NECESSARY (fuse style, gear style, powerplant), you can verifythose decisions (sitting in the various fuses, riding behind various powerplants)and still garner a lot of info about the smaller decisions to make (likecovering systems, aux stuff like trim, various tailwheels, wing cutouts, etc).And it's relaxed and fun.Oshkosh is just cool. It's like the Smithsonians, can't do it all at once, justprioritize, be flexible and enjoy it. It's also a great venue for stockingsupplies. You can pick up vouchers for free shipping, etc.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 23:14:20 -0700
Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,
Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
a piet with a nice strong cont 75, 65 and 85 motors are great choices and veryreliable and cheap...personally my first choice is the franklin 90. they run forever.i have flown a piet with a c65 and its a great performer.. one thing niceabout a piet is there aint no room for a fat ass on board. my plane willhave a c65.. it has a fresh yellow taged overhaul from a good engine shop.. iwas too lazy to look for a franklin90. i have a friend with a franklin in it andits a real hot rod. my engine cost 2,700 with two overhauled mags and a overhauledcarb. all yellow tagged. the prop was 500.00 certified wood senchnic..72x40 climbjim hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA
a piet with a nice strong cont 75, 65 and 85 motors are great choices and veryreliable and cheap...personally my first choice is the franklin 90. they run forever.i have flown a piet with a c65 and its a great performer.. one thing niceabout a piet is there aint no room for a fat ass on board. my plane willhave a c65.. it has a fresh yellow taged overhaul from a good engine shop.. iwas too lazy to look for a franklin90. i have a friend with a franklin in it andits a real hot rod. my engine cost 2,700 with two overhauled mags and a overhauledcarb. all yellow tagged. the prop was 500.00 certified wood senchnic..72x40 climbjim hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Introduction - Pietenpol Builder (in progress) - Seattle,WA