Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
So many ways to skin a cat...The back one doesn't need a track to come back, and the antenna would keep it fromcoming all the way out... Getting in the front like that though, wow. Could be a bifold mechanism.Any of the MN crowd working on a solution?!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hot Mag Fatality.
Pietenpol-List: Hot Mag Fatality.
Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
I would normaly just tack the thought onto the bottom of the other thread, butGary Collins was a very good man, and for that reason maybe another thread isin order.Gary was part of the Corvair world, as he built a Corvair powered Carlson SaprrowII. He was at Many Corvair Colleges, and part of the tight knit world of Ohiohomebuilding. He had many planes over the years, many people remember his C-170.He also owned an 0-320 powered Tailwind, and last year, while working onit in his hangar, not trying to start it, just working on it, it killed him.There are some notes here http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/08/aircraft-wiring-101/. He was a very careful man, and I can say this because I see how people work at Colleges, and 30 minutes there is a better indicator than 10 years of talking around the campfire.I want to be very clear that I am in no way suggesting that I know what was wrong with his plane, or even if there was anything wrong. He was working alone and was not found for hours, it took several days in the hospital for him to die. I bring this up because frequently new people think these warnings are an anachronism, something to do with barnstorming. They are not, and perhaps a real name, and a personal tragedy provide some awareness. The story above had link to his photos on his FB page, but it has been taken down. Look at his image, he is in the white shirt, 2nd photo down here: http://flycorvair.net/2012/04/07/sun-n-fun-2012/Some thoughts: Don't just try to shut the plane off with the mag switch. Every now and then trywiggling the key in the switch. Many mag switches pass the test, but if youjiggle the key and torment it a little, they fail. Many people put a lot of keyson their key ring, it is a bad idea, the weight bothers the switch. Try reachingbehind the panel and wiggling the wiring also. Never get a used mag switchfrom anybody. They sell them in flymarts. I watched a guy take a bad one outof a C-120 and put it on the shelf. I suggested he just smash it with a hammerand toss it out, he didn't I am sure it went to a flymart. The switch is no better than the crimps on the wires, and I have seen countlessshitty chimps on homebuit P leads. This is like having a firearm with a brokensafety. Dan Weseman and I once walked around our airport looking at mag wiringon RV's. 20% of the ones owned by 2nd owners had the L R backwards. Demonstratesthat people were careless with a very critical system 50% of the planeswere wired with wire and crimps I would deem inadequate for installing an 8-trackin a '74 Pinto.Even with this said, the least reliable component of the system is the human. Iwatch people around planes very carefully, because I do not like doing anythingwith distracted idiots present. I watch people preflight planes and pull themout while speaking on cell phones. They are idiots, and Darwin and statisticswill get them. Just make sure you are not collateral damage when their billcomes due.Grace was good friends with Canadian aviator Ray Fiset, who spent the last 50 years of his life in a wheel chair, as a reward for stopping a moron from walking into a prop and ended up getting it by it himself. http://www.eaa.ca/bitsandpieces/article ... l.aspThere have always been stupid people, but prescription drugs and cell phones havemade the problem more acute. Read rays story, and see that he died workingbecause a scam artist stole his life savings, slowly accumulated over decadesof living frugally in a wheelchair. They sent the scam guy to jail, but in a justworld, they should have executed him. I spent many hours in Ray's company,he was a great human being. I can't find words to express this adequately.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
I would normaly just tack the thought onto the bottom of the other thread, butGary Collins was a very good man, and for that reason maybe another thread isin order.Gary was part of the Corvair world, as he built a Corvair powered Carlson SaprrowII. He was at Many Corvair Colleges, and part of the tight knit world of Ohiohomebuilding. He had many planes over the years, many people remember his C-170.He also owned an 0-320 powered Tailwind, and last year, while working onit in his hangar, not trying to start it, just working on it, it killed him.There are some notes here http://flycorvair.net/2014/03/08/aircraft-wiring-101/. He was a very careful man, and I can say this because I see how people work at Colleges, and 30 minutes there is a better indicator than 10 years of talking around the campfire.I want to be very clear that I am in no way suggesting that I know what was wrong with his plane, or even if there was anything wrong. He was working alone and was not found for hours, it took several days in the hospital for him to die. I bring this up because frequently new people think these warnings are an anachronism, something to do with barnstorming. They are not, and perhaps a real name, and a personal tragedy provide some awareness. The story above had link to his photos on his FB page, but it has been taken down. Look at his image, he is in the white shirt, 2nd photo down here: http://flycorvair.net/2012/04/07/sun-n-fun-2012/Some thoughts: Don't just try to shut the plane off with the mag switch. Every now and then trywiggling the key in the switch. Many mag switches pass the test, but if youjiggle the key and torment it a little, they fail. Many people put a lot of keyson their key ring, it is a bad idea, the weight bothers the switch. Try reachingbehind the panel and wiggling the wiring also. Never get a used mag switchfrom anybody. They sell them in flymarts. I watched a guy take a bad one outof a C-120 and put it on the shelf. I suggested he just smash it with a hammerand toss it out, he didn't I am sure it went to a flymart. The switch is no better than the crimps on the wires, and I have seen countlessshitty chimps on homebuit P leads. This is like having a firearm with a brokensafety. Dan Weseman and I once walked around our airport looking at mag wiringon RV's. 20% of the ones owned by 2nd owners had the L R backwards. Demonstratesthat people were careless with a very critical system 50% of the planeswere wired with wire and crimps I would deem inadequate for installing an 8-trackin a '74 Pinto.Even with this said, the least reliable component of the system is the human. Iwatch people around planes very carefully, because I do not like doing anythingwith distracted idiots present. I watch people preflight planes and pull themout while speaking on cell phones. They are idiots, and Darwin and statisticswill get them. Just make sure you are not collateral damage when their billcomes due.Grace was good friends with Canadian aviator Ray Fiset, who spent the last 50 years of his life in a wheel chair, as a reward for stopping a moron from walking into a prop and ended up getting it by it himself. http://www.eaa.ca/bitsandpieces/article ... l.aspThere have always been stupid people, but prescription drugs and cell phones havemade the problem more acute. Read rays story, and see that he died workingbecause a scam artist stole his life savings, slowly accumulated over decadesof living frugally in a wheelchair. They sent the scam guy to jail, but in a justworld, they should have executed him. I spent many hours in Ray's company,he was a great human being. I can't find words to express this adequately.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
William,As a tech counselor for EAA the past 20 years or so I run across a few planes thatfolks have botched up the wiring as described by you. Most guys will listenand make the correct changes. There are very few that won't. I live in anarea that is full of aerospace employees of all trades. They work at places likeNorthrup, Lockheed, NASA and the Air force. The list goes on and on. Mechanics,Pilots, Test Pilots, Engineers of all sorts. These guys have seen whatcan happen if things are not done correctly. The guys around here are very sharpand do all the right things to make their plane very safe. It makes my Techvisits very pleasurable. All your points are very valid and I am glad you shared them. Most all of us withPiets hand prop our planes. We get very comfortable around our own planes.We can hear them talking to us and they tell us when they are ready to run,or if we have a low cylinder. All kinds of stuff. I just wanted to share my story with everyone to remind them that what we do canhurt you, and to always be prepared for that engine to fire up anytime you arearound that prop. We all have our stories. Thank you for sharing yours. I have found that if I canlearn from mistakes others have made before me, that perhaps I'll live longer.Now lets go flying everyone. It's over 70 degrees here in So. California. Happy landings,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 15:45:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
William,As a tech counselor for EAA the past 20 years or so I run across a few planes thatfolks have botched up the wiring as described by you. Most guys will listenand make the correct changes. There are very few that won't. I live in anarea that is full of aerospace employees of all trades. They work at places likeNorthrup, Lockheed, NASA and the Air force. The list goes on and on. Mechanics,Pilots, Test Pilots, Engineers of all sorts. These guys have seen whatcan happen if things are not done correctly. The guys around here are very sharpand do all the right things to make their plane very safe. It makes my Techvisits very pleasurable. All your points are very valid and I am glad you shared them. Most all of us withPiets hand prop our planes. We get very comfortable around our own planes.We can hear them talking to us and they tell us when they are ready to run,or if we have a low cylinder. All kinds of stuff. I just wanted to share my story with everyone to remind them that what we do canhurt you, and to always be prepared for that engine to fire up anytime you arearound that prop. We all have our stories. Thank you for sharing yours. I have found that if I canlearn from mistakes others have made before me, that perhaps I'll live longer.Now lets go flying everyone. It's over 70 degrees here in So. California. Happy landings,--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 15:45:25 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: "AircamperN11MS"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBayCc:>> Jeff, >> Makes sense. >> I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to ridethe thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big one...[Wink] >> -------- > Semper Fi, >> Terry Hand > Athens, GA >>> Read this topic online here: >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 247#438247 >>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBayCc:>> Jeff, >> Makes sense. >> I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to ridethe thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big one...[Wink] >> -------- > Semper Fi, >> Terry Hand > Athens, GA >>> Read this topic online here: >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 247#438247 >>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
Original Posted By: "DaveG601XL"
I don't understand why someone puts a VSI in the panel of a VFR airplane like aPiet. A Pitts - maybe. A Piet? I don't get it.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
I don't understand why someone puts a VSI in the panel of a VFR airplane like aPiet. A Pitts - maybe. A Piet? I don't get it.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Hot Mag Fatality.
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: "Jeff Boatright"
Hearing William mention Gary Collins makes me miss him all the more. I live closeto Gary's house and airfield and we were good friends. I had just flown tohis place the week before to perform a new weight and balance on the Tailwindhe bought out of Baraboo. I installed and tracked the replacement propellerwe put on the Tailwind before the new owner flew it out months after the accident.That was another heart wrenching day. I always had propeller safety inmind, but Gary's accident really made it personal for me. We lost a great friendand pilot that day. Be safe out there!--------David GallagherZodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 280+ hours nowNext project under construction: Finish my father's AircamperRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Hearing William mention Gary Collins makes me miss him all the more. I live closeto Gary's house and airfield and we were good friends. I had just flown tohis place the week before to perform a new weight and balance on the Tailwindhe bought out of Baraboo. I installed and tracked the replacement propellerwe put on the Tailwind before the new owner flew it out months after the accident.That was another heart wrenching day. I always had propeller safety inmind, but Gary's accident really made it personal for me. We lost a great friendand pilot that day. Be safe out there!--------David GallagherZodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 280+ hours nowNext project under construction: Finish my father's AircamperRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: "jarheadpilot82"
jarheadpilot82 wrote:> I don't understand why someone puts a VSI in the panel of a VFR airplane likea Piet. A Pitts - maybe. A Piet? I don't get it.Not to be a contrarian, but I think I see why someone would want one -- it's funto throttle back to create a descent rate similar to a glider, and then go thermaling.My former hangarmate has a VSI in his Pup and is a former glider pilotand goes thermaling a lot. He got me onto this sort of fun flying. He claimsthat a VSI allows him to better monitor the ups and downs.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
jarheadpilot82 wrote:> I don't understand why someone puts a VSI in the panel of a VFR airplane likea Piet. A Pitts - maybe. A Piet? I don't get it.Not to be a contrarian, but I think I see why someone would want one -- it's funto throttle back to create a descent rate similar to a glider, and then go thermaling.My former hangarmate has a VSI in his Pup and is a former glider pilotand goes thermaling a lot. He got me onto this sort of fun flying. He claimsthat a VSI allows him to better monitor the ups and downs.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: Matt Paxton
Jeff,Makes sense. I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to ridethe thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big one...[Wink]--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:23:45 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Jeff,Makes sense. I would just get the smallest one I could find. You don't need a big one to ridethe thermals. On second thought, with my eyes, I probably need the big one...[Wink]--------Semper Fi,Terry HandAthens, GARead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 06:23:45 -0500Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
I hava a variometer in my plane. I put it in there to fill the hole where mycompass once lived. The compass was unreliable in that part of my panel. Anyway,it turns out that it is a very useful gauge. I fly around a lot of mountainshere in So Ca. The slightest up or down draft has a big effect on the pietsperformance. My variometer reads in vertical knots. I did the math and oneknot vertical is almost exactly 100 feet per minute. The variometer is muchmore sensitive than the standard VSI. If you can find one I say get it andhave some fun with it. Oh, the Piet on EBAY was at our West coast gathering last year. I believe thegentleman who owns it is not the builder. That C-90 engine on the front makesthe plane a good performer. The engine sticks out front a long way, probablybecause of all the weight in the rear cockpit. I remember it being a well builtplane.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I hava a variometer in my plane. I put it in there to fill the hole where mycompass once lived. The compass was unreliable in that part of my panel. Anyway,it turns out that it is a very useful gauge. I fly around a lot of mountainshere in So Ca. The slightest up or down draft has a big effect on the pietsperformance. My variometer reads in vertical knots. I did the math and oneknot vertical is almost exactly 100 feet per minute. The variometer is muchmore sensitive than the standard VSI. If you can find one I say get it andhave some fun with it. Oh, the Piet on EBAY was at our West coast gathering last year. I believe thegentleman who owns it is not the builder. That C-90 engine on the front makesthe plane a good performer. The engine sticks out front a long way, probablybecause of all the weight in the rear cockpit. I remember it being a well builtplane.--------Scott LiefeldFlying N11MS since March 1972Steel TubeC-85-12Wire WheelsBrodhead in 1996Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a weddingpresence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was just a"Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful, particularly whenflying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually stop at Beckley forfuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the New River Gorge, and issurrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hotday invariably involves flying around the gorge looking for lift or thermalsin order to climb over the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSIhelps a lot (a variometer would be even better).Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a weddingpresence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was just a"Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful, particularly whenflying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually stop at Beckley forfuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the New River Gorge, and issurrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hotday invariably involves flying around the gorge looking for lift or thermalsin order to climb over the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSIhelps a lot (a variometer would be even better).Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hello Jack,Several of us are doing some early planning to fly to Brodhead this year as a "gaggle"of Piets. I'm beginning from basically Columbia, SC. I'll be going westto hopefully join up with the Ga. Group then north to join the Tn group andthen on to Brodhead. It would be great if you could join us. The plans at thispoint are only draft so any changes are fully open. Please give your thoughts.ThankJackSent from my iPad> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > > I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a wedding> presence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was just a> "Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful, particularly when> flying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually stop at Beckley for> fuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the New River Gorge, and is> surrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hot> day invariably involves flying around the gorge looking for lift or thermals> in order to climb over the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSI> helps a lot (a variometer would be even better).> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Hello Jack,Several of us are doing some early planning to fly to Brodhead this year as a "gaggle"of Piets. I'm beginning from basically Columbia, SC. I'll be going westto hopefully join up with the Ga. Group then north to join the Tn group andthen on to Brodhead. It would be great if you could join us. The plans at thispoint are only draft so any changes are fully open. Please give your thoughts.ThankJackSent from my iPad> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > > I put a VSI in my Pietenpol primarily because I was given one as a wedding> presence (I still have the VSI, but not that wife. She was just a> "Practice" wife). I have found it to be pretty useful, particularly when> flying to Brodhead across West Virginia. I usually stop at Beckley for> fuel. The airport at Beckley is located in the New River Gorge, and is> surrounded by mountains. A takeoff with a heavily loaded Pietenpol on a hot> day invariably involves flying around the gorge looking for lift or thermals> in order to climb over the mountains on either side of the gorge. The VSI> helps a lot (a variometer would be even better).> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Jack,I'm planning to go to Brodhead, but not in my Pietenpol. My wife will bejoining me for the first time so we're going to be flying up in our Cessna170B. I've flown my Piet there 5 times, and that's enough. I'm tired ofstruggling to make it over the mountains and under the inevitable weather.The Cessna is fully instrument equipped and better suited for flying a longtrip. Maybe some other year, if she's not going and the weather is perfect,I'll take the Piet back to Brodhead.Going around the mountains and up from Tennessee should be a much easier wayto go than flying over West Virginia. Several times I have come home thatway, after making a stop in west Tennessee to visit my Mom. Flying back tothe Carolinas by way of Huntsville, AL and Rome, GA avoids the highest ofthe mountains and the worst of the weather.Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flyingover West Virginia:And here is what it looks like flying over the Midwest:You decide which place you'd rather be in the event of a forced landing.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Hi Jack,I'm planning to go to Brodhead, but not in my Pietenpol. My wife will bejoining me for the first time so we're going to be flying up in our Cessna170B. I've flown my Piet there 5 times, and that's enough. I'm tired ofstruggling to make it over the mountains and under the inevitable weather.The Cessna is fully instrument equipped and better suited for flying a longtrip. Maybe some other year, if she's not going and the weather is perfect,I'll take the Piet back to Brodhead.Going around the mountains and up from Tennessee should be a much easier wayto go than flying over West Virginia. Several times I have come home thatway, after making a stop in west Tennessee to visit my Mom. Flying back tothe Carolinas by way of Huntsville, AL and Rome, GA avoids the highest ofthe mountains and the worst of the weather.Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flyingover West Virginia:And here is what it looks like flying over the Midwest:You decide which place you'd rather be in the event of a forced landing.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: "Jack Philips"
> Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying overWest Virginia:Jack P,I have often dreamed of coming over to the B&B with my wife when my Piet is done,but I've looked at sat images, and looks like it would be some pretty seriousrock hopping to get there from Missouri (I fly field to field like i'm jumpingfrom stone to stone crossing a creek) On the other hand, a trip to Brodhead for me would be 73 NM to Carlyle lake inIllinois, then- straight north and 238 NM of green quilt squares!--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying overWest Virginia:Jack P,I have often dreamed of coming over to the B&B with my wife when my Piet is done,but I've looked at sat images, and looks like it would be some pretty seriousrock hopping to get there from Missouri (I fly field to field like i'm jumpingfrom stone to stone crossing a creek) On the other hand, a trip to Brodhead for me would be 73 NM to Carlyle lake inIllinois, then- straight north and 238 NM of green quilt squares!--------Jon JonesIronton, MORead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
That's one of the reasons no one has yet flown a Pietenpol here to spend thenight. Matt Paxton has stayed here at our Bed & Breakfast, and he's flownhis Pietenpol here, but not at the same time. South and east of here theterrain is fine. North and west there are some serious mountains (not ashigh as the Rockies, but about as tall above the surrounding terrain).Flying from here to Beckley in a straight line I have to get to at least5,000' to have reasonable clearance over the mountains, and to feelcomfortable I like to get to 6,000'. Since our field elevation here is justunder a thousand feet, and at those altitudes a heavily loaded Pietenpolclimbs at about 150 feet per minute, I'm looking at climbing steadily forover half an hour.Flying here requires careful study of the terrain. For example, flying astraight line between here and Matt's field you've got to cross a peak onthe Blue Ridge that is 4,225' MSL at the summit. But by bending just a biteast of course, and following the valley of the James River you can cutthrough a gap in the Blue Ridge and never have to get above 2500'. Ofcourse there's no place to land but the river if you lose the engine, butyou get used to that.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
That's one of the reasons no one has yet flown a Pietenpol here to spend thenight. Matt Paxton has stayed here at our Bed & Breakfast, and he's flownhis Pietenpol here, but not at the same time. South and east of here theterrain is fine. North and west there are some serious mountains (not ashigh as the Rockies, but about as tall above the surrounding terrain).Flying from here to Beckley in a straight line I have to get to at least5,000' to have reasonable clearance over the mountains, and to feelcomfortable I like to get to 6,000'. Since our field elevation here is justunder a thousand feet, and at those altitudes a heavily loaded Pietenpolclimbs at about 150 feet per minute, I'm looking at climbing steadily forover half an hour.Flying here requires careful study of the terrain. For example, flying astraight line between here and Matt's field you've got to cross a peak onthe Blue Ridge that is 4,225' MSL at the summit. But by bending just a biteast of course, and following the valley of the James River you can cutthrough a gap in the Blue Ridge and never have to get above 2500'. Ofcourse there's no place to land but the river if you lose the engine, butyou get used to that.Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
Jack,Thanks for the reply. I fully understand. Look forward to meeting you.JackSent from my iPad> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > Hi Jack,> > I'm planning to go to Brodhead, but not in my Pietenpol. My wife will be joining me for the first time so we're going to be flying up in our Cessna 170B. I've flown my Piet there 5 times, and that's enough. I'm tired of struggling to make it over the mountains and under the inevitable weather. The Cessna is fully instrument equipped and better suited for flying a long trip. Maybe some other year, if she's not going and the weather is perfect, I'll take the Piet back to Brodhead.> > Going around the mountains and up from Tennessee should be a much easier way to go than flying over West Virginia. Several times I have come home that way, after making a stop in west Tennessee to visit my Mom. Flying back to the Carolinas by way of Huntsville, AL and Rome, GA avoids the highest of the mountains and the worst of the weather.> > Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying over West Virginia:> > > > And here is what it looks like flying over the Midwest:> > > > You decide which place you=99d rather be in the event of a forced landing.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Jack,Thanks for the reply. I fully understand. Look forward to meeting you.JackSent from my iPad> On Feb 12, 2015, at 11:44 AM, Jack Philips wrote:> > Hi Jack,> > I'm planning to go to Brodhead, but not in my Pietenpol. My wife will be joining me for the first time so we're going to be flying up in our Cessna 170B. I've flown my Piet there 5 times, and that's enough. I'm tired of struggling to make it over the mountains and under the inevitable weather. The Cessna is fully instrument equipped and better suited for flying a long trip. Maybe some other year, if she's not going and the weather is perfect, I'll take the Piet back to Brodhead.> > Going around the mountains and up from Tennessee should be a much easier way to go than flying over West Virginia. Several times I have come home that way, after making a stop in west Tennessee to visit my Mom. Flying back to the Carolinas by way of Huntsville, AL and Rome, GA avoids the highest of the mountains and the worst of the weather.> > Contrast these two views - the first is the typical terrain I find flying over West Virginia:> > > > And here is what it looks like flying over the Midwest:> > > > You decide which place you=99d rather be in the event of a forced landing.> > Jack Phillips> NX899JP> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia> > -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen
Original Posted By: Kip Gardner
Glen,I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying ."The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese.".The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA gluewould probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?.In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " Itisn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wingspar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associatedwith the undesirable outcome..Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen
Glen,I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying ."The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese.".The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA gluewould probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?.In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " Itisn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wingspar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associatedwith the undesirable outcome..Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen
Original Posted By: glenschweizer(at)yahoo.com
Another one in the same vein:"It just proves that the worm should have stayed in bed"On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 AM, William Wynne wrote:> > Glen,> > > > I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying > > .> > > "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese."> > .> > > > The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA gluewould probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?> > .> > > In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " Itisn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wingspar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associatedwith the undesirable outcome.> > .> > Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 298#438298> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen
Another one in the same vein:"It just proves that the worm should have stayed in bed"On Feb 13, 2015, at 5:42 AM, William Wynne wrote:> > Glen,> > > > I don't remember who taught it to me, but I really like the saying > > .> > > "The Early bird gets the worm, but the Second mouse gets the cheese."> > .> > > > The implication is that the first mouse got his head caught in the trap. CA gluewould probably work fine, but do you really want to be that first mouse?> > .> > > In the conversion manual I teach people the ww axiom of airplane building " Itisn't the probability of being right it is the cost of being wrong." Example:Being 95% sure your paint will not peel is fine, but being 95% sure your wingspar will not break is not acceptable because they have different costs associatedwith the undesirable outcome.> > .> > Just use T-88 and you will never have to think about it again.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 298#438298> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol biplane project-- Glen